Why Didn t Ferengi Ever Use Those Whips Again May 22, 2022 Post a Comment In TNG, the Ferengi were originally presented equally a viable threat, a powerful nation with merchant ships that outgunned everything in the Federation fleet. Of class, their giddy makeup pattern made it incommunicable for anyone to take them seriously every bit villains, and they got some corking character development as a result. However, their mostly comic relief status in DS9 was a disservice to the race that the Federation once feared. What if the Dominion had staged an attack confronting Ferenginar, i so devastating and despicable that the outraged Ferengi public jumped at the take a chance to become into the war and gave Zek a mandate for revenge.What if all of those Ferengi merchant ships, which are more powerful than near races' defended warships, were turned against the Dominion fleet? It would have definitely helped the Federation Alliance to have them every bit some other Ally. At i signal, the Federation even had Nog evangelize reports to Zek concerning the war, in hopes of forming an alliance. Any ally helps. However, they probably wouldn't have been equally powerful an marry equally the Klingons or Romulans. Information technology seems the Ferengi armada was designed to protect commerce, not make war. As a event, each send was probably owned by private Ferengi bussinessmen for their protection and security, not by the government of the Ferengi Alliance. The Klingons and Romulans, however, clearly had unified militaries, which are much meliorate at making war. A privateer military, no matter how well armed, probably wouln't stand a hazard against a state sponsered 1. Also, information technology was never stated how large the Ferengi fleet was. Just considering they had powerful ships doesn't hateful they had a lot of them. If the Ferengi had joined the war, it probably would have been more along the lines of providing fabric and supplies, too every bit other finanical offers. That would play more than to their strengths than using them equally front-line soldiers would have. Jono Rear Admiral Rear Admiral Where the Ferengi ships that powerful? Only seen them in ane TNG episode and they didn't strike me as a match for the Enterprise-D. In that location is no profit fighting in a state of war. If memory serves, in early TNG episodes, the Marauder form was supposed to exist a nearly verbal match to the Enterprise in terms of both speed and abilities. No onscreen evidence has since disputed this, though one could speculate that this reputation was fabricated and spread past the Ferengi themselves, such as the rumor that they ate humans. Personally, I would have LOVED to see a fleet of Marauders show up during the war. Information technology would have been an unexpected surprise. I could see the Feds negotiating with Zek that the Alliance would get exclusive salvage rights to Dominion wreckage and technology. As it was mentioned, Starfleet sent Nog to negotiate with the Nagus in Valiant - but it'southward a shame that the Ferengi armed services arm was played down on DS9. Again, I would have enjoyed seeing how the Alliance could provide more than uncomplicated comic relief to the crusade. Wasn't it mentioned in an episode that the Ferengi were giving supplies to the Alpha Quadrant Alliance? Jono Rear Admiral Rear Admiral Giving supplies? That'due south very un-Ferengi, selling supplies (possibly to both sides), at present that's Ferengi. That might exist true, simply...Rule of Conquering #34: War is skillful for business. Wonder why those Ferengi whips never showed upward in DS9, past the way. Those were awesome, lol. Actors capable of ignoring the externalities of war, like massive decease and depredation of foreign land, would certainly disagree. There accept been numerous examples of political units which prospered despite having virtually no economies autonomously from the exploitation of conquered peoples. These range from the obvious, like the Huns and Mongols during some periods of their history, to the less obvious, like the Romans during the late Democracy. It'southward potentially much easier to steal than it is to earn. Anyway, I sometimes like to recall the Ferengi did join the war, or some Ferengi PMCs did, if such exist, and they probably practice. The terminal few months of the war would have been an ideal time to seize Cardassian territory and resources, with virtually no threat of reprisal and even with the unqualified blessings of the AQ powers that would usually frown on such aggressive behavior, namely the UFP. I'd exist surprised if Rom, once he became Negus, didn't as one of his first acts either personally fund a Ferengi expeditionary forcefulness or push button legislation to let individual Ferengi to assistance the Allies for their ain turn a profit, either by way of contracting with the Allied governments as mercenaries, or past independent operations against the Dominion and directly conquest of Cardie and Breen systems, which would get the holding of either the Ferengi state (such every bit information technology is), the Negus himself, a multitude of enterprising daimons, or--nearly likely--their shareholders. On a last annotation, I also was severely disappointed to never get to encounter a Marauder in DS9, despite the Ferengi-dense nature of the show. I hateful, seriously, Zek tin't travel in a bit of style? Say what you volition near the portrayal of the Ferengi--I've written at length elsewhere most why I recollect it failed on simply most every level possible, fifty-fifty if individual Ferengi were usually entertaining--but the D'Kora Marauders were a actually cool spaceship, up there with the D'Deridex in my volume. There is a scene in 1 of the major battles when the fleet is screwed and the Klingons arrive to save the twenty-four hour period. Can yous imagine that instead of Nog announcing "Information technology's the Klingons!" that he says "Information technology'south the Ferengi!" and a dozen Marauders bear witness upwardly to save the day instead?!? The idea reminds me a flake of the boxing of the 5 armies in The Hobbit, when the dwarf army shows up. At first, you lot're thinking, "Huh?" But then you're similar "Well - okay ...we'll accept all the help nosotros can get!" And the dwarfs do much to bear witness that they're better fighters than they're given credit for. I suppose that if the Ferengi military was played up, and then you could argue it would be more difficult to sell Nog joining Starfleet, every bit such a similar organization of his own people would take provided a more logical alternative for him. Plus the demand to bring in the Romulans might seem less pressing in social club to turn the tide. That'd have been crawly. Information technology's odd crusade we never even saw a unmarried Mauauder docked at the station. I think function of the reason we never saw a Mauauder on DS9 was that the epitome of the Ferengi as a mighty military machine power was something the producers didn't want to continue on with from TNG. According to the Deep Infinite Companion, Ira Steven Behr said that "it was fourth dimension to lay to residue this long-fourth dimension feeling that the Ferengi were the 'failed villains' of the Star Trek universe. I wanted people to run into them equally something else." That'south a skilful idea, in my stance. I like the thought that the Ferengi weren't really "failed villians." Even so, I think they took the Ferengi too far into comic relief terrority than was necessary. They could notwithstanding accept had a military, but one geared more toward the protection of commerce than toward overall strategic defense. i understood the ferengis didn't believe in taxes? so, how would the 'state' pay for a military? unlike the feds, romulans, klingons etc ferenginar doesn't seem to exist an empire, but a single muddy planet. according to an st encyclopedia, the d'kora course was roughly a match for the galaxy ships, but the ferengi had no more than than some 200 of them. their whole armada was less than 1/x the size of starfleet. Kai Winn your avatar is making me sick! Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral I'd say the Ferengi already fought on the UFP side, or the Alpha side, or whatsoever proper name one wants to utilize for "the side the Ferengi wanted as the winner". They wouldn't have fought with ships, as such - simply with weapons they were superbly good at wielding. Their services as intelligence gatherers and diplomats would have been amid key Blastoff assets in the war. It was the Ferengi who first put together a moving-picture show of the Dominion, months before "Jem'Hadar". The Ferengi managed to maintain trade relations and information exchange with Dominion subject cultures even subsequently the start of de facto hostilities, too. And when the wormhole airtight and the war started, the Ferengi still probably had a major function to play, being in good terms (well, terms) with quondam Cardassian allies and field of study cultures and other local players in the war zone. All this without a formal intel organization, it seems. Or rather, with an system that exploited contained businessmen as its agents, probably even without having to pay them extra. To waste such brilliant lives equally cannon fodder would have been counterproductive to the Alpha war effort... Timo Saloniemi It's a shame that the producers felt that they needed to brand a pick with the Ferengi. Either portray them as a space faring race like the Romulans, Klingons and Cardassians, or focus on their society and play them off as one-act relief. Like others here, I don't understand why they couldn't take done both . Expedition is at information technology's all-time when it takes risks and goes confronting stereotype. A Klingon lawyer, an individual Borg, a nefarious Federation spy organization. DS9 had the perfect opportunity to prove all the shades of grey in Ferengi society, but in a sense it was portrayed as almost as rigid as the Klingons in the mode that they did things. I mean, the tower of commerce, the peachy material continuum, the eternal vault of destitution... those ideas are fine and made for some funny moments, but it besides left a lot of unanswered questions. How does a hyper-capitalistic social club protect its assets? How do they seek and learn new opportunities? What other planets are in the Alliance besides Ferenginar? It would take been great to run across how the Ferengi armada functioned in contrast to Starfleet. Rather than exploring planets to augment their understanding, they seek to broaden their profit margin. Their combat skills might accept been lacking, but like a gamer with an abundance of wealth, their personal armor and weaponry are constantly upgraded to the point of ridiculousness. Unfortunately, aside from a casual mention of a Daimon here and there, and Nog'due south threat of a "armada of Marauders" in Lilliputian Green Men, the evidence clearly decided to steer away from referencing the Ferengi military force. The leader of the entire Ferengi Alliance always arrives in a little shuttlepod, accompanied past a single servant. The death blow to the idea is The Magnificent Ferengi. The love of Zek's life is kidnapped by the Dominion (?!?) and rather than dispatching the armada, he asks Quark to rescue her. Quark then rounds upward the best Ferengi he can come up up with, and the all-time soldier in the lot is Leck, the "Eliminator" who past description is "non like most Ferengi". Sadly, I wish they could have done more than merely portray them equally zero more than than a race of nerdy, greedy accountants. Even if the state wouldn't pay for it, the market for military and police forces probably wouldn't disappear. Private actors would satisfy the demand. This is probably the stupid manner to do it, since the armed services is very much a natural monopoly, but condottieri are not unknown to us. It seems reasonable that large PMCs would be in the Ferengi Alliance, contracting to protect Ferengi commerce and Ferengi exploitation efforts abroad, but without a mandate to protect the state. The larger business concerns in the FA probably have their ain, integrated paramilitary departments. Star Trek has oft suffered from stereotyping entire races. Klingons are warriors. Romulans are paranoid and shady. Ferengi care only nigh coin. Cardassians are fascist warmongers. The members of these races that did non fit the stereotype were shown equally outcasts. Alexander was a reject in Klingon society considering he was a lousy warrior. Did we ever even run across a Romulan that was a legitimately decent person and not working an angle? Nog, Rom, and Ishka were exceptional as Ferengi go, merely Rom was portrayed as an idiot and Ishka was an outcast, at least until Ferengi club caught upwardly. Actually, out of the races on DS9, information technology seems the simply i that underwent serious social changes were the Ferengi. There wasn't much show that the Klingons significantly changed through the course of the series, and we didn't go to see much of what happened to the Cardassian Union after they were decimated past the Dominion. It'south believable they'd go back to their old ways equally before long as they rebuilt. For being a franchise that prides itself on diversity, Trek has often done a lousy task showing differentiation within alien races. Bad Atom Commodore Commodore Joined: May 14, 2001 Location: Ohio I always thought information technology would have been corking to see some Ferengi marauders prove up in the final battle in "What You Leave Behind", courtesy of Grand Nagus Rom. smithamed1993.blogspot.com Source: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/what-if-the-ferengi-had-joined-the-war.108697/ Share Post a Comment for "Why Didn t Ferengi Ever Use Those Whips Again"
In TNG, the Ferengi were originally presented equally a viable threat, a powerful nation with merchant ships that outgunned everything in the Federation fleet. Of class, their giddy makeup pattern made it incommunicable for anyone to take them seriously every bit villains, and they got some corking character development as a result. However, their mostly comic relief status in DS9 was a disservice to the race that the Federation once feared. What if the Dominion had staged an attack confronting Ferenginar, i so devastating and despicable that the outraged Ferengi public jumped at the take a chance to become into the war and gave Zek a mandate for revenge.What if all of those Ferengi merchant ships, which are more powerful than near races' defended warships, were turned against the Dominion fleet?
It would have definitely helped the Federation Alliance to have them every bit some other Ally. At i signal, the Federation even had Nog evangelize reports to Zek concerning the war, in hopes of forming an alliance. Any ally helps. However, they probably wouldn't have been equally powerful an marry equally the Klingons or Romulans. Information technology seems the Ferengi armada was designed to protect commerce, not make war. As a event, each send was probably owned by private Ferengi bussinessmen for their protection and security, not by the government of the Ferengi Alliance. The Klingons and Romulans, however, clearly had unified militaries, which are much meliorate at making war. A privateer military, no matter how well armed, probably wouln't stand a hazard against a state sponsered 1. Also, information technology was never stated how large the Ferengi fleet was. Just considering they had powerful ships doesn't hateful they had a lot of them. If the Ferengi had joined the war, it probably would have been more along the lines of providing fabric and supplies, too every bit other finanical offers. That would play more than to their strengths than using them equally front-line soldiers would have.
Where the Ferengi ships that powerful? Only seen them in ane TNG episode and they didn't strike me as a match for the Enterprise-D.
If memory serves, in early TNG episodes, the Marauder form was supposed to exist a nearly verbal match to the Enterprise in terms of both speed and abilities. No onscreen evidence has since disputed this, though one could speculate that this reputation was fabricated and spread past the Ferengi themselves, such as the rumor that they ate humans. Personally, I would have LOVED to see a fleet of Marauders show up during the war. Information technology would have been an unexpected surprise. I could see the Feds negotiating with Zek that the Alliance would get exclusive salvage rights to Dominion wreckage and technology. As it was mentioned, Starfleet sent Nog to negotiate with the Nagus in Valiant - but it'southward a shame that the Ferengi armed services arm was played down on DS9. Again, I would have enjoyed seeing how the Alliance could provide more than uncomplicated comic relief to the crusade.
Wasn't it mentioned in an episode that the Ferengi were giving supplies to the Alpha Quadrant Alliance?
Giving supplies? That'due south very un-Ferengi, selling supplies (possibly to both sides), at present that's Ferengi.
That might exist true, simply...Rule of Conquering #34: War is skillful for business. Wonder why those Ferengi whips never showed upward in DS9, past the way. Those were awesome, lol.
Actors capable of ignoring the externalities of war, like massive decease and depredation of foreign land, would certainly disagree. There accept been numerous examples of political units which prospered despite having virtually no economies autonomously from the exploitation of conquered peoples. These range from the obvious, like the Huns and Mongols during some periods of their history, to the less obvious, like the Romans during the late Democracy. It'southward potentially much easier to steal than it is to earn. Anyway, I sometimes like to recall the Ferengi did join the war, or some Ferengi PMCs did, if such exist, and they probably practice. The terminal few months of the war would have been an ideal time to seize Cardassian territory and resources, with virtually no threat of reprisal and even with the unqualified blessings of the AQ powers that would usually frown on such aggressive behavior, namely the UFP. I'd exist surprised if Rom, once he became Negus, didn't as one of his first acts either personally fund a Ferengi expeditionary forcefulness or push button legislation to let individual Ferengi to assistance the Allies for their ain turn a profit, either by way of contracting with the Allied governments as mercenaries, or past independent operations against the Dominion and directly conquest of Cardie and Breen systems, which would get the holding of either the Ferengi state (such every bit information technology is), the Negus himself, a multitude of enterprising daimons, or--nearly likely--their shareholders. On a last annotation, I also was severely disappointed to never get to encounter a Marauder in DS9, despite the Ferengi-dense nature of the show. I hateful, seriously, Zek tin't travel in a bit of style? Say what you volition near the portrayal of the Ferengi--I've written at length elsewhere most why I recollect it failed on simply most every level possible, fifty-fifty if individual Ferengi were usually entertaining--but the D'Kora Marauders were a actually cool spaceship, up there with the D'Deridex in my volume.
There is a scene in 1 of the major battles when the fleet is screwed and the Klingons arrive to save the twenty-four hour period. Can yous imagine that instead of Nog announcing "Information technology's the Klingons!" that he says "Information technology'south the Ferengi!" and a dozen Marauders bear witness upwardly to save the day instead?!? The idea reminds me a flake of the boxing of the 5 armies in The Hobbit, when the dwarf army shows up. At first, you lot're thinking, "Huh?" But then you're similar "Well - okay ...we'll accept all the help nosotros can get!" And the dwarfs do much to bear witness that they're better fighters than they're given credit for. I suppose that if the Ferengi military was played up, and then you could argue it would be more difficult to sell Nog joining Starfleet, every bit such a similar organization of his own people would take provided a more logical alternative for him. Plus the demand to bring in the Romulans might seem less pressing in social club to turn the tide.
I think function of the reason we never saw a Mauauder on DS9 was that the epitome of the Ferengi as a mighty military machine power was something the producers didn't want to continue on with from TNG. According to the Deep Infinite Companion, Ira Steven Behr said that "it was fourth dimension to lay to residue this long-fourth dimension feeling that the Ferengi were the 'failed villains' of the Star Trek universe. I wanted people to run into them equally something else." That'south a skilful idea, in my stance. I like the thought that the Ferengi weren't really "failed villians." Even so, I think they took the Ferengi too far into comic relief terrority than was necessary. They could notwithstanding accept had a military, but one geared more toward the protection of commerce than toward overall strategic defense.
i understood the ferengis didn't believe in taxes? so, how would the 'state' pay for a military? unlike the feds, romulans, klingons etc ferenginar doesn't seem to exist an empire, but a single muddy planet. according to an st encyclopedia, the d'kora course was roughly a match for the galaxy ships, but the ferengi had no more than than some 200 of them. their whole armada was less than 1/x the size of starfleet.
I'd say the Ferengi already fought on the UFP side, or the Alpha side, or whatsoever proper name one wants to utilize for "the side the Ferengi wanted as the winner". They wouldn't have fought with ships, as such - simply with weapons they were superbly good at wielding. Their services as intelligence gatherers and diplomats would have been amid key Blastoff assets in the war. It was the Ferengi who first put together a moving-picture show of the Dominion, months before "Jem'Hadar". The Ferengi managed to maintain trade relations and information exchange with Dominion subject cultures even subsequently the start of de facto hostilities, too. And when the wormhole airtight and the war started, the Ferengi still probably had a major function to play, being in good terms (well, terms) with quondam Cardassian allies and field of study cultures and other local players in the war zone. All this without a formal intel organization, it seems. Or rather, with an system that exploited contained businessmen as its agents, probably even without having to pay them extra. To waste such brilliant lives equally cannon fodder would have been counterproductive to the Alpha war effort... Timo Saloniemi
It's a shame that the producers felt that they needed to brand a pick with the Ferengi. Either portray them as a space faring race like the Romulans, Klingons and Cardassians, or focus on their society and play them off as one-act relief. Like others here, I don't understand why they couldn't take done both . Expedition is at information technology's all-time when it takes risks and goes confronting stereotype. A Klingon lawyer, an individual Borg, a nefarious Federation spy organization. DS9 had the perfect opportunity to prove all the shades of grey in Ferengi society, but in a sense it was portrayed as almost as rigid as the Klingons in the mode that they did things. I mean, the tower of commerce, the peachy material continuum, the eternal vault of destitution... those ideas are fine and made for some funny moments, but it besides left a lot of unanswered questions. How does a hyper-capitalistic social club protect its assets? How do they seek and learn new opportunities? What other planets are in the Alliance besides Ferenginar? It would take been great to run across how the Ferengi armada functioned in contrast to Starfleet. Rather than exploring planets to augment their understanding, they seek to broaden their profit margin. Their combat skills might accept been lacking, but like a gamer with an abundance of wealth, their personal armor and weaponry are constantly upgraded to the point of ridiculousness. Unfortunately, aside from a casual mention of a Daimon here and there, and Nog'due south threat of a "armada of Marauders" in Lilliputian Green Men, the evidence clearly decided to steer away from referencing the Ferengi military force. The leader of the entire Ferengi Alliance always arrives in a little shuttlepod, accompanied past a single servant. The death blow to the idea is The Magnificent Ferengi. The love of Zek's life is kidnapped by the Dominion (?!?) and rather than dispatching the armada, he asks Quark to rescue her. Quark then rounds upward the best Ferengi he can come up up with, and the all-time soldier in the lot is Leck, the "Eliminator" who past description is "non like most Ferengi". Sadly, I wish they could have done more than merely portray them equally zero more than than a race of nerdy, greedy accountants.
Even if the state wouldn't pay for it, the market for military and police forces probably wouldn't disappear. Private actors would satisfy the demand. This is probably the stupid manner to do it, since the armed services is very much a natural monopoly, but condottieri are not unknown to us. It seems reasonable that large PMCs would be in the Ferengi Alliance, contracting to protect Ferengi commerce and Ferengi exploitation efforts abroad, but without a mandate to protect the state. The larger business concerns in the FA probably have their ain, integrated paramilitary departments.
Star Trek has oft suffered from stereotyping entire races. Klingons are warriors. Romulans are paranoid and shady. Ferengi care only nigh coin. Cardassians are fascist warmongers. The members of these races that did non fit the stereotype were shown equally outcasts. Alexander was a reject in Klingon society considering he was a lousy warrior. Did we ever even run across a Romulan that was a legitimately decent person and not working an angle? Nog, Rom, and Ishka were exceptional as Ferengi go, merely Rom was portrayed as an idiot and Ishka was an outcast, at least until Ferengi club caught upwardly. Actually, out of the races on DS9, information technology seems the simply i that underwent serious social changes were the Ferengi. There wasn't much show that the Klingons significantly changed through the course of the series, and we didn't go to see much of what happened to the Cardassian Union after they were decimated past the Dominion. It'south believable they'd go back to their old ways equally before long as they rebuilt. For being a franchise that prides itself on diversity, Trek has often done a lousy task showing differentiation within alien races.
I always thought information technology would have been corking to see some Ferengi marauders prove up in the final battle in "What You Leave Behind", courtesy of Grand Nagus Rom.
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